For a brief period of time I was a member of Facebook nostalgia site called NDG Before The Mid 80's. I posted some remembrances of growing up in NDG and there were a lot of positive responses. About 10 days ago I found out that my postings had been erased. I posted a comment on the NDG site asking why. A Ken Alivisatos, an administrator, replied. He said that the erasing of my postings could be for a number of reasons including talking about politics, being rude, or just a lack of interest on the part of the members. He also said that he and the 2 other administrators can't please everyone.
My response was that I was no longer going to submit stories or comments if they were just going to erase them. The next thing I knew I was blocked from the site. That's OK. There are 4 devises in our house with Facebook capabilities if I want to look at that site.
About a week ago a member of the NDG site named Wayne Dow posted my blog story below that you are about to read. There were close to 100 "likes" and about 20 "shares. Within a week I had close to 3,000 new readers of my NDG blog story. The story has had over 10,000 reads since I wrote it 5 years ago. I'm kind of proud of that. Writers want to be read.
In the last few days my NDG blog story has also been removed from the NDG Facebook page. They must have clued in on who wrote it I guess.
Am I totally pissed off? Not really. I've met lots of petty people in my life so this really isn't something new to me.
I've found that nostalgia sites in general can be a bit tricky to navigate. It's almost like sifting for gold. Who wants to read what 100 different people think their favourite pizza place was back in the day? Someone posts a picture of a school and asks if you went there. Many respond with a different school they went to. That wasn't the damned question! An overhead aerial shot of Benny Farm really isn't very interesting to most people. You can barely make out the buildings and there is no detail. News flash. Everything old isn't interesting.
The "gold" is when people tell us something fresh and new that perhaps we didn't know or recall. Something interesting with a bit of content?
So that's my little rant. Hope you enjoy the following story.
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I grew up in N.D.G. (Notre Dame de Grace) in Montreal in
the 1950s. N.D.G. is a district west of the downtown core of Montreal.
Throughout most of the 1950s my family lived on Harvard Avenue near Somerled
Avenue. I went to Willingdon School and West Hill High School.
A lot has changed in the past 50 or so years. I thought I
would jot down what I can recall from those days long ago. Cue the music. Gino
Vanelli….when I dream about those nights in Montreal….
Companies like J.J.Joubert, Guaranteed Pure Milk, and
Borden’s delivered milk right to our front doors. You left the empty bottle
near your front door with a small milk ticket in the bottle rim and the milkman
would replace the empty bottle with a full one. There was no such thing as 2%.
It was all homo but you could get a bottle with cream on the top and milk on
the bottom. Many of the milk delivery vehicles were horse drawn wagons. Horse
poop in the street was a common sight.
Milk delivery wagon |
On Saturday mornings, the Y.M.C.A. would show full length
movies in the gym. There were no seats and kids sat on the floor. They would
also show serial movies that were about 15 minutes long and they were sometimes
called “cliff hangers” with the heroes driving over a cliff or a train coming
and some young beauty being tied to the railroad tracks. In the summer movies were shown outside in
the field next to the Y at night. I think it was called the Bonfire Theatre.
The Y.M.C.A. had its own boy’s football team. Boys used to swim in the nude in
the swimming pool. One day, some of the boys didn’t get the message that it was
visiting day at the pool and I can still remember the shock on their faces
when they realized their naked little bodies had an audience.
YMCA on Hampton Ave. |
Up until about 1955 there was a small farm on the
northeast corner of Marcil and Monkland Avenues, complete with chickens and a
cow. Cote St. Luc Road eventually turned into a dirt road back then and there
were a number of riding stables. There was a large public vegetable garden on
Grand Boulevard. Probably a holdover from WW2 when there was rationing. There
were empty lots between some of the houses. Hampstead had a golf course and acres of
empty land around it. The creek that ran through the empty land was nick named
Sheik River. There was an unwritten rule that houses in Hampstead were not to
be sold to Jewish people.
At the beginning of the decade some homes had ice boxes
instead of fridges. The iceman would deliver ice using large tongs directly to
the top of the customer’s ice box. He would place a rag on his shoulder before
resting the block there. At one time there was an ice storage shack next to an
apartment building at the corner of Harvard Avenue and Cote St. Luc Road.
Pom Bakers delivered bread in little green trucks to
homes throughout Montreal. They also made the tastiest little raspberry and
lemon tarts.
About once a year an old dishevelled guy would come by
with his homemade knife sharpening cart.
In the winter, the snow blowing trucks would come by in
the early evening. Once in a while, what looked like toothpicks, were all that
was left of a misplaced toboggan. Some of us boys hopped cars in the winter
which we did by sneaking up behind a car at a stop sign and hanging onto the bumper
until the next corner. It was kind of like water skiing. Hitting a manhole
cover could be a hazard.
Not all families owned a car and hardly any family had
two cars. Some fathers took the 101, 102, 103, or 104 bus to get to work. Most
young boys were fascinated by where the gas cap was located on some cars. It could be in the fin by the tailights or behind the lisence plate. Gas
stations had names like Shell, Supertest, Esso, White Rose, Fina, and B/A
(British/American). I once stole the Jeep steering wheel from the B/A gas
station at the corner of Cote St. Luc and Somerled. My brother made me give it
back hoping for a reward I think. It was on this same corner that John
Ferguson, the Montreal Canadiens hockey player, years later gave me the finger
while I was hitchhiking.
NDG snowstorm |
There weren’t many ways for a kid to make a buck in the
fifties. You might wait fruitlessly for hours at Hampstead Golf course, hoping
to caddy for a golfer. Sometimes bigger boys would turn up and threaten us
with bodily harm if we didn’t let them get picked first. Delivering newspapers
like The Monitor, The Star or the Gazette, in the dark or in ice storms was not
exactly a treat. There was a set of cards held together by a ring with the
customers’ names on them. I was always forgetting to punch the card and sooner
or later I would be short on what was owed the newspaper. I wasn’t exactly
reliable with change in my pockets. One dark early morning, I walked into the
Diamond Taxi stand on Girouard Avenue to warm up for a bit and was a bit
confused when I encountered the first lesbian dyke I had ever seen. The going
rate back then for shoveling someone’s walk back then after a snowstorm was a quarter.
The guy in charge of the summer swimming program at the indoor pool at West Hill High School was Nev Thornton who taught technical drawing and coached football at West Hill. Two of the lifeguards for a few years were Scott and Bill Conrod. I once had my bathing suit pulled down for a laugh by a guy named Jimmy McKean at that pool. He later played pro football in the CFL and was an umpire in the American Baseball League for many years.
Diamond Taxi driver. |
The guy in charge of the summer swimming program at the indoor pool at West Hill High School was Nev Thornton who taught technical drawing and coached football at West Hill. Two of the lifeguards for a few years were Scott and Bill Conrod. I once had my bathing suit pulled down for a laugh by a guy named Jimmy McKean at that pool. He later played pro football in the CFL and was an umpire in the American Baseball League for many years.
When I was small, I was taken to a store on Monkland
Avenue called Tom’s, which was known in the neighbourhood for its wide
selection of model kits. In the back of the store, through a curtain, was a
barbershop run by older duffers who wore smocks. Later, I would get my hair cut
at Roland’s on Cote St. Luc Road and Melrose Avenue. You could get a crew cut,
a Hollywood, a brush cut or a razor cut there. Next door to Roland’s was Bob
Lunney’s Sporting Goods. For a while, one summer, Bob would pay me about 50
cents to watch the place for the afternoon. Next to the sporting goods store
was Bellman’s, partly a pharmacy and partly a restaurant. For a number of years
a Mr, Speers ran the restaurant. He also drove taxi. I once spotted him buying
his donuts at Woolworths. Mr. Speers right hand man was a guy named Stan who
was a student at West Hill. Stan could get about 20 slices out of a tomato. I
know. I watched him. Bellman’s was a West Hill High hang out for many years. Back in
the day I was involved in more than one fight outside those doors. Whatever
happened to cherry cokes?
In the early sixties they built the Protestant School
Board building behind West Hill High by Draper Avenue and Cote St. Luc Road.
For years the site was the dilapidated remains of an old tennis club. I think
Monkland Tennis Club on Royal Avenue dates back to the early 1930s. Down the
street from the tennis club is LCC (Lower Canada College). There were also
public tennis courts on Hampton Avenue.In the early 1950s I remember seeing some
kids from Holland playing tennis on the street on Harvard Avenue.
Every winter the ice rink boards were set up and
Terrebonne Park. A local kid named Robin Burns got his start here and later
went on to a short NHL career before he became a successful businessman
manufacturing hockey equipment. On Saturdays, British types would turn up
behind West Hill High to play rugby. The wives would sometimes sit on the car
roofs. We played a lot of scrub baseball on that field back then. Trenholme
Park was where the N.D.G. Maple Leafs junior football team played. In the 1960s
they made it to the national finals a few times.
Monkland Tennis Club 1930s |
In the 1950s, Steinberg’s on Monkland Avenue was where
most of our mother’s bought their groceries. If we just needed a loaf of bread,
or a quart of milk, my mother might send me off to get what was needed at the
N.D.G Market which was located at the corner of Somerled and Wilson Avenues.
For a number of years the store had huge posters on the wall of black guys loading
a banana boat. I was sitting on a railing near this store with some other boys
when I was about five years old when an older boy told us about the rudiments
of sex. I can’t remember if I said “You’ve got be kidding?” The N.D.G. Market
is where I first bought some beer. I was about 16 and three of us got drunk
behind West Hill. One guy went a little nuts. I can’t recall if it was
Molson’s, Dow, Carling O’Keefe, or Labatt’s.
In the fifities, fast food chains didn’t exist. If you were a kid, and you wanted to eat some junk like candy, you knew where to find it. The same places sold other things that kids wanted like yo-yos, comics, and toys. Nickle’s on Monkland Avenue was known for its coloured rabbit’s paw key chains. You could also get a sugary donut and Grapette soft drink there. Other candy stores on Monkland Avenue were Tom’s Monkland Tobacco) and Dexters.
The one “joint” I remember the most was a place called
Harry’s which was almost next door to the Shara Zion Synagogue where Cote St.
Luc Road meets Somerled Avenue. Harry’s was a dump. However, it have a sign
that said “Meet the eliite at Harry’s.” Harry’s had a small lunch counter where
his friends would hang out and a couple of booths. It had one of those soft
drink coolers that was full of cold water and you had to guide your selection
along a rail to get your bottle of pop out. Nesbitt’s Orange, Orange Crush,
Spruce Beer, Hire’s Root Beer, 7-Up, Cream Soda, Gurd's Ginger Ale. Coca-Cola in pale green
bottles. Harry’s also had a juke box and a pinball machine which possibly was disconcerting to
conservative parents. In the front window, Harry’s always had a display that
often went past its due date. Fireworks and Santa Claus were the two themes.
In the fifities, fast food chains didn’t exist. If you were a kid, and you wanted to eat some junk like candy, you knew where to find it. The same places sold other things that kids wanted like yo-yos, comics, and toys. Nickle’s on Monkland Avenue was known for its coloured rabbit’s paw key chains. You could also get a sugary donut and Grapette soft drink there. Other candy stores on Monkland Avenue were Tom’s Monkland Tobacco) and Dexters.
If we needed clothes and our mothers didn’t want to take
the long bus ride downtown we were usually dragged off to Snowden that was a
twenty minute walk away. There were clothing shops along Queen Mary Road
including a Morgan’s department store. There was also a Woolworth’s which was
called the “5 and 10 Cent Store.” Woolworth’s had a long lunch counter with
pictures on the wall behind and above the counter that depicted things that
were on the menu. Whatever happened to open faced chicken sandwiches with gravy?
As I wrote earlier, there were no fast food chains back
then, but that doesn’t mean there was any shortage of places with very tasty
food. There were delicatessens around where WASPs like me would become addicted
to Jewish food. Smoked meat, mock chicken, karnatzel. Bar-B-Q chicken could be
found at the Chalet Bar-B-Q on Sherbrooke Street or the Cote St. Luc Bar-B-Q.
They used to use this really crinkly cellophane paper to wrap the chicken up
with and the best fries were always kind of soggy. Over on Decarie Boulevard,
south of Snowden and near Blue Bonnets horse track, there was a strip of drive-in restaurants on the left hand side of the street including The Bonfire, Miss
Montreal and Orange Julop. On the other side of Decarie Boulevard was Ruby Foos
that was kind of an Americanized version of a Chinese restaurant and favourite
spot for the three martini business types at lunch and Jewish people who wanted
to see and be seen in the evening. A block or two away, Magic Tom did his tricks
at Piazza Tomasso.
Pretty well everyone I grew up with, at one time or
other, took the #17 streetcar down
Decarie Boulevard and out to Cartierville and Belmont Park. (Streetcars also
ran along Queen Mary Road, Monkland Avenue, and Sherbrooke Street.) Belmont
Park was at the top of every kid’s wish list. (Granby Zoo was probably a distant
second). The rides, like The Wild Mouse, The Whirl-A-Way, the Salt and Pepper,
the giant rollers coaster, and the Magic Carpet Ride left a few weak kneed.
Cotton candy and the smell of fried onions. The house of mirrors. The laughing
fortune teller. The sound of most people speaking French. We couldn’t have imagined
more fun.
Back in the day nobody wore a bicycle helmet. There was
no such thing. If we were thirsty and not close to home we would get a drink
from the tap at the side of a stranger’s house. For some of us, if we were gone
all day, our parents weren’t phoning the cops. We never thought we were being
poisoned because we liked rock and roll. The Hardy Boy books were kind of like
literature. The older we got the further
we ventured. Usually on our bikes. Some of us discovered things like Chief
Poking Fire’s fort, the caves near the tracks below Trenholme Park, climbing
the outside of St. Joseph’s Oratory, or seeing the Orwellian kind of goings on
at the construction of the St. Lawrence Sea Way.
#17 streetcar |
Belmont Park |
We told the guy behind the counter at Val’s Bowling Alley
and pool hall on Decarie Boulevard (before it moved to Cavendish Boulevard and
became Rose Bowl Lanes) that yes, we were 16, even though we weren’t much taller
than the cues, and watched as he shook his head and gave us the pool balls
anyway.
We went from Dick and Jane, and Sally, and Spot, and
Puff, and Uncle Zeke who baked potatoes on a stack of burning leaves, to the
Hampstead Hops, to our first crappy job. In no time it seemed like it was all
over and then…..most of us left town.
And some of us ended up in odd places....
And some of us ended up in odd places....
Vernal, Utah jail 1972 |
I also grew up in NDG during the 50's. Thanks for the wonderful memories. I used to love gong to the Bonfire show once a week.
ReplyDeletethis brings back great memories.
ReplyDeletebefore the decarie expressway was built the east side of decarie between cote st luc rd and queen mary had stores on each corner and in between.
the corner of ponsard and decarie had a store/snackbar. it was called Foreman's. i used to get my comic books there.
on the opposite side of the street was a laundramat.
the corner of saranac had a Supertest gas station.
i can't remember what was on all the other corners but i do know there was a barber shop and a fish and chips place somewhere along decarie.
Great memories. I grew up on Dalou Street. At the corner of Decarie there was Sterlin's Grocery store run by Mr. and Mrs. Trapido. Next to it going north was Friendly Fruit Store, then Snowdon Bicycle Shop, then Victor's, the Tailor, then Fish and Chips Reg'd.
ReplyDeleteGreat blog, Colin.
Colin, I don't think that we ever met in person but you did bring back a lot of memories of life in NDG. My brother John and I lived on Hingston Avenue between Fielding and Cote St. Luc. Thanks for dusting off my memory cells.
ReplyDeleteRegards, G.
Hi Greg, I lived in 2227 Hingston Avenue during my childhood 1960's-1975. I had a handful of friends living on that street, sadly none of us kept in touch once my parents moved us to the West Island. I remember such a great sense of community there. I just wanted to say how cool it is to read someone saying they lived in the same street as me...love this blog as well.
DeleteStumbling on this blog is terrific. Can't wait to explore more. Richard Saxe. Willingdon, then Somerled then West Hill HS
ReplyDeleteHi Richard I am pretty sure we were in some of the same class's. I went to Somerled Public School as well then on to West Hill High. I lived on Fielding and Somerled at the time. Wayne Goodman
DeleteRichard Saxe of Grand Blvd...????
ReplyDeleteIndeed. And I've seen your paintings and quite like them
DeleteI did a painting of JJJoubert, and of Willingdon school...just Google my name Michael Litvack artist
ReplyDeleteHi, I will look at your website! I used to live on Hingston Ave in the late 60's-1975, and I remember going to the corner depanneur named Perrette's on the last Fri of every month with a whole 25 cents my mom gave me to spend there as a treat for doing well at school!
DeleteHi Michael,
ReplyDeleteI just had a look through your portfolio. You are really good at what you do and certainly capture a flavour of the times. I recognized the Campus Marche right away in the heart of the McGill student ghetto. I believe it is still there. I think there is something about men and old signs. Women don't seem to have the same enthusiam about them. I'm pretty well addicted to American Pickers and if I was younger I might just go out on the road in search of old stuff too.
Kik Cola, Uptown, Nesbitt's Orange, Grapette, Hire's Root Beer, Orange Crush in the brown bottles, Gurd's Ginger Ale, Smow White Cream Soda...they all sat in cold water....you slid the bottle you wanted along some rails....put your coins in a slot....and voila!
Never heard of poutine when I was growing up. There were places you could get 2 steamed hotdogs for a quarter and one of the garnishes was shredded cabagge.
Love your art man! Keep doing what you do.
My dad took us to LAFLEUR's in Ville St. Pierre - right as you turned onto the 2 and 20, - best steamed hot dogs on the planet!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the memories!!!!!!!! Val and Bubby
DeleteI think I remember Lafleur's. Just before the exit to 2 and 20. I used to do a lot of hitchhiking. Down the hill from Montreal West, through Ville St. Pierre. A great spot to get a lift out to Pointe Claire where my parents lived.
DeleteAlso recall the "steamies" on St. Lawrence Blvd. with shredded cabbage. 2 for quarter!
Colin Paterson
Val...Lafleur's is still the best steamies on the planet. I live in Ontario now and that's one of the things I miss the most, that and good smoked meat!
DeleteGreat page Colin...thanks for the memories.
Judy Brown
I grew up on Randall and Merton. I have most of the same memories with a slight shift in the geography. We called Sheik River, Piss River. We also tried to hustle caddy jobs at Hampstead Golf Course
ReplyDeleteuntil were outed as Jews. This was a different time. My dentist was upstairs from Bellman's. I always ate there before having my teeth filled. Actually most of your memories are similar to mine. I live in Toronto now and this is all history. Strangely, five people on my street went to Wagar High School. Toronto is not fun!
I just finished a painting of Belmont Park circa late 1940's, and I will do your Belmont Park photo. There was something magical about that place; perhaps it was the #17 streetcar trek with the up and over the hump at Namur. Or perhaps it was the smell of greasy chips and freshly fried donuts. It was a vacation rolled up in one afternoon; a place far away from NDG and Cote St. Luc. A place where we could go with our friends and live the "life of adventure".
ReplyDeleteThere was just an article yesterday in the Gazette about 50 things that make Montreal, Montreal. I could add many more icons of our past..which I won't do now!..
BTW..I also grew up on Randall and Merton..1955-1968 when the red barn was still there, and Randall wasn't paved yet. The part of Randall from Cote St Luc Road to Merton was one the first streets in the Town...when Cavendish was called King George.
Great Page Colin! Come visit us on Facebook :http://www.facebook.com/groups/N.D.G.yesterdayandtoday/
ReplyDeleteI lived in the duplex across the street from Westhill High on Summerled. Always got to be first in line for swimming in the summer. I had Miss McNabb in grade two as well - 1952-3. Moved to Montreal West in grade three. Thanks for waking up my memories.
ReplyDeleteI remember when they built Westhill - lost a nickel - fell down into the concrete when I leaned over to check things out.
Does anyone remember, or even have a photo of the Broadway Grocery Store on Sherbrooke Street West, on the south side, across from the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce on the corner of Trehnolme Avenue. Abe's Snack Bar was on the other corner. Next to the Grocery Store that was an apartment building, and underneath it, you could walk down the steps to a candy store for "penny candy" and my fave was the "honey comb" squares.........or am I all alone with my memories? I went to St. Ignatius of Loyola Elementary School and then to Marymount High. Val Frost and Bubby, my Newfoundland Service Dog
ReplyDeleteYes I remember the Broadway, and Abe's where kids stole pocket books and candy bars constantly. And across the street was the Golden Moon deli, where we hung out for years. Also went to St Ignatius, then Loyola, and lived on Terrebonne and Coronation from '58 to '72.
DeleteRick Dunn.
grw up partly in ndg...partly in what becaME CHOMEDEY AND ALSO IN THE LAURENTIONS...love the memories of draper ave and somerled..also those hot humid nights and YES Lafeurs...best steamies anywhere..like yourself ...addicted to jewish food..I need a smoked meat right now...unfortunately alberta only has some poor inmmations..wish I was on monkland right now/....peace
ReplyDeleteI grew up in N.D.G. on Old Orchard in the 50's went to St. Raymond School and then Marymount. My parents did all their shopping on Sherbrook . Yes there was an orchard behind our house beside the park. There were no chain fast food places but you could buy candy go to Woolworth or Chalet Barbecue. The high point of our summers was to go to Belmont Park. La Ronde may be bigger but nothing could replace Belmont Park.
ReplyDeleteHi, my memory is not great, but I think I also went to St. Raymond elementary school from 1970-75...I was trying to remember the name of it but once I read it in your reply I think that was it! Thanks!
DeleteNev. Thornton : Thanks for more great memories. The best years of my life were the ones that I spent teaching and coaching at WHHS.
ReplyDeleteWELL DONE.
Hello Neville, I was in one of your drafting class's in 1966/67 I believe at West Hill. Wayne Goodman
DeleteWest Hill years in the 60's were the best. NDG, football, school dances AND Technical Drawing! You were the best Mr. Thornton!
DeleteNev...we never were each others biggest fans. However at this late date I appreciate the compliment. Glad you enjoyed the story.
ReplyDeleteColin Paterson
Colin, I love your blog though I grew up south of you on Melrose below Sherbrooke. I remember walking to The Bonfire and watching those serial movies. My favourite was Don Winslow of the Navy. If you haven't already got this, here is a link to a trailer. You can find many other episodes on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUrCJlY0urU
ReplyDeleteThanks for the complement Luanne. I wrote this story over 2 years ago and it has had over 100 hits in the last 24 hours. Strange. I'll check out Don Winslow of the Navy.
ReplyDeleteSomeone posted your link on FB page "Montreal Memories".
DeleteBob Driscoll - Grew up on sherbrooke, Marlowe and Decarie -- went to DOC and then Marymount -- Wish I could contact some of the old crew --
ReplyDeleteTake care
You have a great memory! These blogs are well done and they are cerainly making the rounds into our email box from a wide range of our friends from NDG. What about the little savings banks that our parents thought we should have from The City and District Savings Bank. It wasn't long before we learned how to pick the locks! Cheers.....
ReplyDeleteThanks for the compliments!
ReplyDeleteJeez am I ever dumb Wendy. I just realized you are Mike's wife. Alzheimers is when you can't remember anything. Halfzheimers is when you can remember some stuff.
ReplyDeleteJust fabulous - laughed and laughed and still haven't read it all. Such great memories - Wendy Heayberd and I bopping around the school yard thinking we were "hotties" in our pixie hair cuts!! Trying to sneak across the line in the school yard that kept us from the boys. Years later, my first teaching assignment was Gr. 2, Willingdon School. Yup, Mrs. Miller was still there! Thanks, Colin.
ReplyDeleteI lived at 3477 Decarie Blvd., from 1941 - 1962. I went to St. Augustine's. I don't think anyone mentioned 'Ma Heller's Restaurant' on Sherbrooke near Marcil, a hang-out for those of us who liked a good time. Us 'nice' girls weren't allowed to tell our parents that we went there because it was a Hell's Angels' hangout. Harmless. Gosh, when I see what the teenagers of today are up to and the parents accept, we were pretty tame after all.
ReplyDeletewe lived on decarie blvd from 1949 till the late 50's.....I don't remember the address but it was a 5 story walk up and we lived on the 3rd floor facing decarie...i remember going to get fish n chips on fridays at the fish and chip store on the other side of decarie and not far from us......i went to st augustine's for 2 years
DeleteGreat Blog..I grew up on Walkley Ave, and Prince of Wales..facing the Benny Farm where many of my friends lived. Later we used to "pick up" the nurses as they changed shifts at The Catherine Booth Hospital, which was on Walkley...and MUCH later we frequented The Monkland Tavern where we got two drafts for 25 cents including the tip. What great memories. I got "kicked out" of Monklands for "hanging around" with the wrong crowd and had to go to Montreal West High...what fun.
ReplyDeleteI lived at Fielding and Mariette, went to Monklands High School (long walk every day), danced at the local sock hops, had some really good friends, some of whom I manage to keep in touch with to this day. It was a great place to grow up, the only drug being tobacco and the worst crime was missing school. Too bad we didn't realize how good it was. Seems to me our classes were pretty large back then but the teachers seemed to cope quite well. Thanks for the memories.
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ReplyDeleteWow - this is just amazing - brought back so many wonderful memories - thank you so much Colin. I lived on Melrose Ave. between Monkland & Somerled and attended West Hill High.
I went to Somerled P.S. and West Hill High as well.
DeleteWhen did the Greek restaurant at the southwest corner of Royal and Monkland close? Pop would get a new pinball machine and we would find a way to beat it. He wanted to kill us when he found out we had drilled a hole into the side of a newer machine.
ReplyDeleteI went to Westhill on Westhill Avenue before it became Monkland High. We had great football teams, both Senior and Junior, often winning the city championship. After school you could find me at the "Y" playing pingpong. It was a good time to be a teenager.
I was married with 2 children when we left Montreal in 1970.
Colin, I fled Mtl in 1977 and have taught in Australian public schools for almost 30 yrs. As young entrepreneurs in lower NDG (corner of St James & Old Orchard), to make a buck, we collected the used 36 lb. grape boxes from the local Italians & split them into kindling & carted them around on a wagon & sold them for a quarter a tray. How's the book going?
ReplyDeleteI remember an ice storm and we didn't have any electricity for a few days. A lot of flats in NDG had fireplaces people never used. A lot of things were burned in them over those few days.
ReplyDeleteAh the memories. As a fan of the Snowden Major Fastball League I read your book a year or two ago and have returned to your site again and again to read the great stories that you have inspired so many people to contribute. I was brought up on Marcil just up the street from the park that was known as NDG Park (and not Marcil Park nor Girouard Park as it has been called variously). The biker gang that hung out at Heller's was officially called “The Saddle Tramps”. Though they were 'ruff'n'ready guys I don't think they were anywhere near what we think of when we refer to bikers today.
ReplyDeleteLike Snowden had Queen Mary road our area had Sherbrooke street and my memories are of the area between Girouard and Melrose. In no particular order: Varsity Handy store next to Heller's where you got all sorts of penny candy as well as your Provincial Bus ticket if you were heading out to the lakeshore. Heller's later took over as the ticket agent. On that same block was Raspa's shoe repair, a jewellery store and a ladies hat shop. I recall also Dansky's a couple of blocks west on the south side. There was Hart's and Palmer's, two drug stores. Our shoe store with the X-ray machine was Patry's on the south side of Sherbrooke near Girouard. Does anyone else remember the lawn bowling club, the NDG Tennis club, Minto Park and the Wonder Bread horse stables, all of which disappeared to make room for the Decarie Expressway and Turcotte Interchange which they will start to demolish this year.
Geez I'm an old man. Thanks for the memories.
Interesting....but I haven't written a book. You are probably referring to Bill Conrod and one of his two books about memories of Snowden. And yeah....we're all getting older.
ReplyDeleteColin Paterson?!!! Had a guy in my class by that name. They kept throwing him out we kids loved him.
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ReplyDeleteFrom 1956-1961 beginning at the age of seven I lived on Trans Island Avenue (which I later discovered was officially designated as NDG Ward 3) and unofficially as Snowdon (not Snowden). By the way. Colin, residing on Harvard Avenue, you were within Ward 5).
Anyway, I suppose most of us middle-class kids back then lived similar lives, doing the usual kid stuff including playing Davy Crockett, Zorro, collecting Matchbox and Dinky Toys, doing lots of wandering the remaining fields, forests, as well as the streets of the district on foot or later on our bicycles. Coincidentally, we called these excursions "adventures" just like you did.
These days you hardly ever see kids roaming around the way we "baby boomers" did just like you see in those early 1950s British films. Children were all over the place!
This current minimum of child visibility is presumably due to "parent helicoptering" or the fear of "predators hiding behind every bush"--mostly paranoia from increasingly sensational and never-ending media reports of crimes against children.
But, getting back to the good old days, how well I remember the coal trucks pulling up to our duplexes and apartment buildings to deliver their loads to the furnaces via a motorized conveyor belt through a slot in the walls. On rare occasion they only had a metal chute requiring the work crew to phyically shovel the coal along into that slot!
Residential coal heating came to an end for us about 1958 when Gaz Naturel (later renamed Gaz Metropolitain) began connecting their underground pipes in our part of the neighbourhood. I wonder what city districts were the last to be converted? It must surely have taken many years to complete. Of course, fuel oil trucks had already been servicing some of the buildings before gas became an option.
Victoria Day (which we kids called Firecracker Day) was always great fun. A select few corner variety stores sold those red paper 5 and 10 cent packets of firecrackers (made in Macau) and we'd run around in gangs blasting away all over the place which must have driven some adults to distraction, although I don't specifically recall being angrily chased away by anyone nor hearing about my friends doing anything reckless or dangerously stupid with them.
The only incident I have a vague memory of was hearing a loud boom one day and later a rumour that someone had placed a stick of dynamite into a large dead tree. The collapsed tree was even pointed out to me, but I never learned exactly what had happened.
Such easy access to firecrackers came to an end decades later after a succession of complaints and injuries, not to mention the unacceptable annual mayhem from nighttime bonfires deliberately placed in the streets of districts like Point St. Charles and St. Henri which always had the police and fireman running ragged.
Hard to imagine that happening today! Indeed, a federal law presently bans such frivolous firecracker use except for certain events inside areas like Chinatown. Furthermore, perhaps too many people phoned the police thinking they'd heard a gunshot, such false alarms being a waste of city revenue.
I remember playing in the coal dust with our toy trucks and plows..I lived on Randall between Cote-St-Luc and Chester on the west side. The back of the building was an alley where the truck would unload their coal
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ReplyDeleteMost drug stores back in the 1950s and early 60s had a "soda fountain" inside their premises where, among other things, both 5 cent and 10 ice cream cones could be bought with their tasty, curled Magic Cones! Hot dogs were 15 cents, hamburgers 25 cents, comic books 10 cents, a loaf of bread 25 cents, a taxi ride downtown around a dollar, 5 cent child fare for the streetcar!
One of the last drug store soda fountain hold-outs that I'm aware of was Clay's at Victoria and Van Horne which closed a few years ago. I do remember the one in the old Medical Arts building on the southeast corner of Sherbrooke and Guy and many others as well. Not sure what "rule" eventually eliminated soda fountains from drug store property. Probably the big chain pharmacies frowned upon the concept as being "too American"?
Up until the early 1980s, the milkman delivered both homogenized and pasteurized versions to our door. The homogenized type had a short level of thick cream on top which in winter would freeze solid if left outside too long. Of course, whipping cream, chocolate milk, butter, and egg nog (around Christmas time) was also available and all reasonably inexpensive.
Later in 1964 when we had became homesick after moving to the suburbs for a few years, we returned to my old familiar neighbourhood. Not long after that, I remember riding my bicycle on Ellerdale Road and being pulled over by a Hampstead Police car for going through a stop sign! I didn't get a ticket, only a warning. I couldn't believe they had nothing better to do. Not too many murders in Hampstead, I'm sure!
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ReplyDeleteAround the late 50s early 60s, I also remember spotting an older boy or young adult riding around NDG in his little red motorized mini-car which was really not much bigger than a go-cart. This guy always got a lot of attention from us kids whenever we saw him, although I never knew his name nor where he lived. Not sure what kind of a license he had, either. Maybe none?! Surely some of this blog's readers will remember seeing him, as well?
Back in the day, it wasn't uncommon to see stray dogs running about--even small packs of them occasionally. The city must have cracked down on it not long afterwards, although I don't remember ever seeing a dog pound truck driving around.
My neighbourhood was a mixture of English Protestant (myself included), Jewish, and few French Canadian kids who introduced themselves to me in English. Presumably, they found it easier that way, realizing that it was more difficult for English kids to learn French. We all got along for the most part and there was never any "language issue" the way the politicians would exploit it years later.
A few refugee families from Hungary and Czechoslovakia moved onto our block as well and they and their kids also spoke English very well from the get-go. Perhaps that ability facilitated their emigration, who knows?
Sadly, some of the snobbier Jewish parents didn't like their kids hanging around with us, so we rarely if ever got invited into their homes, despite the fact that their kids were perfectly welcome to visit ours, and did.
I suspect that some of the "old school" European mentality of distrust had coloured some of those parents' attitides. Possibly the notion of the North American Free Society was still alien to them and they simply weren't ready to endorse it. Hopefully, their children were embarrassed enough to abandon this mentality when they themselves had kids of their own.
The first time I actually got invited by a Jewish friend into his home, his mother stood staring at me as if I was a little green man from Mars. "He's not Jewish?", she asked her son, as if I might contaminate the place or something. Needless to say, I felt like I was under some kind of magnifying glass and being analyzed to determine if I was worthy of even stepping on their carpets. Events like that stick in your mind forever.
To be fair, my closest Jewish friends were more forthcoming, not only inviting us in but introducing me to stamp collecting and so on.
Much more to tell, but I'll rest here for the time being.
To whom is may concern....the chances of me posting comments written by anyone who calls themselves "Anonymous" are now pretty slim. I'm just not into it. If you can't say who you are don't bother communicating with me unless you can confirm that you are in a "witness protection program" LOL!
ReplyDeleteWhilst doing a search of old NDG, 1960's, I stumbled upon this post. What great memories here! I grew up in NDG and in Ville St-Laurent, so I remember Chalet Bar-b-q, which is still there, amazingly, and that has always been my favourite place for chicken! Their fries and sauce, as well as coleslaw, are very good, and the chicken is always well cooked, succulent, juicy and tender. Belmont Park...wow, having lived in Ville St-Laurent as a child, I remember it fondly and was quite sad to see it go. Thank you so much for sharing!
ReplyDeleteChalet BarBQ, MMMMMM, finish it off with the Boston Cream Pie! you forgot the pie LOL!!!!
DeleteThey still give you those grilled buns like the National Brand used to. I believe the National Brand was totally inspired from Chalet BarBQ. A little birdy told me once who should know.
Does anyone recall the name Harvey's Pharmacy on Somerled. i'm pretty sure that was the name.
ReplyDeleteIt came to mind today and I drifted back to a time when me and my friend would spend hours in the back of it staring at the collection of Revell models. I had all the monsters and guillotine which worked. MWWWWUUUUAAAHAHAHA!!!!!
The cars were the best!
There were 2 pharmacies on Somerled. Windrows and Cumberlands. Both had soda fountain counters.The Harveys you mentioned was actually Harveys Sports. The place to sharpen your skates and buy sticks. We played hockey at Benny park and changed our skates at St Monica school right next to Monklands high
DeleteJust happened upon your site. I also grew up in NDG from 1961 -1976. Your stories are great. thank you.
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Great Blog. I lived on Regent Avenue below the tracks from 1950 to October 1959. Went to St Raymond`s school on Old Orchard, played at Oxford Park and the area known as `the dump` which was situated below what was then known as Upper Lachine Road. I also delivered the Montreal Star or covered for another paperboy on every street between Grand Blvd and Decarie.
ReplyDeleteColin are you Sandra Patterson's brother?
ReplyDeleteI grew up in NDG on Hampton & Sherbrook St. I went to DOC and Marymount High School I played music in a band at the Mike Stevens record hop in Montreal West. They were called The Stratatones. I lived across from Safrons Drug Store and around the corner was the Chinees Rest. My name is Tom Reddy and I remember this area well. Thank You.
ReplyDeleteHi Tom, I loved going to all the Mike Stevens Sock Hops in Montreal West and remember the Stratatones playing! Brenda Lee came and sang her hit record one Friday night - you guys were in good company. Do you or anyone else remember a hamburger joint called (I think) Gallardo's? It would have been up Westminster near Cote St Luc Blvd.
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ReplyDeleteNo Colin, not sure who they were I have played all over the world and still playing today I'm 72 yrs. just played a gig in Cambridge Ont. I will be in Montreal in October and look forward to eating at the Chalet BBQ. Thank you for your response.
ReplyDeleteThe Band you were thinking of was Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
ReplyDeleteI played a few times with The Beau Marks to fill in also - The Blue Skyliners - The Rembrandts - The Twisters - Grand Funk - and a lot more. I hope you have a great Day. Tom
Was just pulling your leg Tom. I remember The Beau Marks and their tune Clap Your Hands. Weren't they named after a missile? Also remember Grand Funk (Railroad) and their song We're An American Band. Keep on rockin' Tom.
ReplyDeleteDeja vu - I remember the milk wagon, as well as the POM bread wagon/truck? would deliver to us. My sister and I went to Willingdon grade school and we lived on Draper as well as on Melrose avenue. I would have gone to West Hill high school had my family not moved to Boston. We are going back to the 50s - early 60s before we left the country. Wow, what a surprise to find these old photo memories. Thanks
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Bill Shattuck/Canada
I just came across your blog. It is a fascinating look at NDG's past. I grew up farther west in what was a new development in Cote-St-Luc. I went to Edinburgh School and Montreal West High. Did you go to West Hill High School? My father taught English there until his retirement in 1972. His name was Norman Pycock. If you went there, let me know if you remember him.
ReplyDeleteI remember your dad's name but he never taught me. There's a guy in Vancouver that your dad left a lasting impression on, Brian Nation. He wrote a short story about your dad years ago. You can find the story by Googling Mister Death-Brian Nation: Beat The Devil. Hope this helps. Cheers!
DeleteColin, were you into cadets at West Hill?
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No Bruce I never was. I had coffee the other day with Dave Tingle who you probably remember.
ReplyDeleteI remember how wonderful the Chalet chicken was and also the Bonfire on Decarie Blvd. I once spilled a chocolate milkshake all over my date's(Kathleen O'Donoghue) new dress. She must have meant it when she forgave me because she married me sixty years ago and we are still together. Roy Oram
ReplyDeletehi everyone :) grew up in good 'ol N.D.G. in the 60's forward... ...still there....thanks for all the memories and comments :) anyone remember The Donut King on St Jacques ? one of my favs :) or the original A. & W. at Rose Bowl ? :) .. or (it's all about food) lol....Mr.Hot Dog on Sherbrooke St :) to name a few ... bye for now...
ReplyDeleteI grew up on Hingston Ave... thanks for this.
ReplyDeleteRemember walking to Willingdon School in the snow - with the sidewalks plowed. Still have my button for the school.
And remember going skating on the rink around the corner every winter.
Getting snowed in with no power - but we had a fireplace and a gas stove, so everyone was at our house.
I miss Montreal.
Hi Wicca, I grew up on 2227 Hingston Ave as well from 1960's-1975. Thank you for reminding me what my elementary school name was! I used to walk there with my handful of friends every day back & forth morning/lunchtime/afterschool...lost touch with all my childhood friends...
DeleteThis was great ! Lived on Regent ( above the tracks) att. St.Augustine Acadamy & beautiful parish church. The chalet on Sherbrooke was our meeting place on a Friday night.so many good memories.
ReplyDeleteI also grew up on Regent Ave. (above the tracks). I went to West Hill High and left NDG around 1963. It's been fun to read about the old neighbourhood. I now live in the Toronto area.
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I use to live at Wolseley and Kildare. Our home burnt in 1080. Maybe some of you might know Kinsley.
ReplyDeleteI grew up in Snowdon. We lived in the Apartments on Decarie Blvd. between Snowdon Av & Cote St Luc from 1949 to the mid 50's. I remember the bonfires and how much fun we had....oh to be young again....I have forgotten most of the names of the kids we hung out with though.....I wish I could remember
ReplyDeleteMid 50's I lived on Grenier 1block north of cote st Luc off decarie. Started school at St. Malachi's across from McDonald park. Walk to school, grade 1, down the bus lane that ran between cote st. Luc and Queen Mary... what would today's helicopter parents think of my working parents?
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ReplyDeleteI grew up on Melrose below Sherbrooke in the 1940s and then moved to Hampton just below Monkland. I don’t recall streetcars running on Monkland? Enjoyed reading your story.
There were definitely streetcars on Monkland. I have an old photo from the 50s that shows the tracks on Monkland. I believe the tracks ran up from Sherbrooke on Girouard and ended at Grand Boulevard.
Deletei am 74 now.was born on girourd below the tracks.moved and was brought up on oxford above the tracks.went to doc school.hung out at n.d.g. park.im still here will never leave.thanks for all the memories.
ReplyDeletei was born on girourd below the tracks.moved and grew up on oxford above the tracks between sherbrooke and the tracks.went to doc school. hung out at n.d.g. park.im 74 now and still here ,will never leave.thank you for the memories.
ReplyDeleteI grew up in NDG. Lived on brothel until the express way then to Belmore.
ReplyDeleteStill live in NDG still a great place but not the same as the 60's and 70's.
Irene rivet
Hi Irene - did you mean you lived on Botrel? My mum and her family lived on Botrel before moving to Townsend on the border of NDG and Montreal West - probably long before your family lived on Botrel though (1920s).
DeleteThanks for all the great memories, Colin. I lived in Montreal West from 1947-1961, first on Hillcrest at the top of the Glass Hill (of Daredevil's Hill), then on Strathearn. Went to Elizabeth Ballantyne School, Edinburgh, and Montreal West High. 45 years ago I returned to NDG and while much has changed from my memories of the 50s, NDG is still a great place to live. Our family ate at Chalet BarBQ for a treat, or went to Elmhurst Dairy for ice cream on hot summer nights. I hung out at Trenholme Park (literally, upside down on the monkey bars) in the summer and took swimming lessons at the Hampton Y. Remember the streetcars well. Maisonneuve was called Western then, and Benny Farm still had fields of crops below Sherbrooke, between Cavendish and Montclair. Lots of vacant lots for playing scrub baseball, or building forts, and small streams for playing Amazon explorer. Great place to grow up and a great time - kids walked or rode bikes without adult supervision everywhere all day!
ReplyDeletethe tunnel...going under sherbrook street...at king edward...so creepy... and smeleed of urine..but the only way to get to trenholm park,,,
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ReplyDeleteSo nice to read all this; thanks for the memories. I don't live far so I still drive to NDG, eat at Chalet BBQ, drive around, down Addington Street where I moved to in 1963 and lived for several years. Loved it there. Went to St-Augustine School. I have a question for you and would really appreciate if you could answer me, if you know and/or remember: On the corner of Girouard and Sherbrooke (on Sherbrooke)in the early 60s, there was a variety store and it seems to me it was called either Quint's or Quinn's Variety store or shop. Can you set me straight on the exact name and if you recall anything about this? Thank you so much for your time and recollections.
Sharleen
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DeleteHilary20 October 2021 at 09:58
Hi Sharleen. It was mist definitely Quint's Variety Shoppe, and it was my parents who owned it. 🙂
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Wow .. I stumbled on here searching for Ma Heller's and I just cannot believe all the memories that are circulating through my head at this moment after this lengthy little read!
ReplyDeleteI finished high school in 1970 at Montreal West High .. (Someone mentioned Broadway Grocery) .. I worked there after high school on a delivery bike with a large welded mesh basket for about 5 months. He had a great business there and I rode about Montreal West and close to NDG every day bringing beer, cigarettes and other items to customers .. I can remember the price of beer to this day due to that little job .. 12 beers were about $2.95 .. Cigarettes were about 80 cents .. I remember the owner's first name, Mike, a short little Italian fellow ..
In the 70's, all my friends lived in Montreal West, NDG and Westmount, but it seems I remember most of my free time being spent primarily in NDG .. Boy, all the places mentioned here .. The Monkland Theater .. We always sat in the balcony, having had the girls smuggle in a couple of mickies of rum via their purses and then of course buying large iced Cokes to drink .. I remember seeing Mother, Jugs and Speed, Carrie and a number more that I can't remember. It was such a nice old theater.
Ma Heller's .. I had friends that lived in the first east side duplex on Oxford St, just north of Sherbrooke. Ma's was a 60 second walk away from there .. We used to like going in on Sunday afternoons to have an early supper and a few beers .. The atmosphere was great .. Lots of seniors, a little dark and they had a big electric organ there .. Someone always got up and did their best to play it and received either laughs or applause .. Never went there at night .. (We had much better places to go!) Loved that place!
Monkland Tavern .. Watched many an Expos game there ..
Chalet B-B-Q .. What can I say! Anyone remember a little Potato place called Taties on Sherbrooke and Girouard? All kinds of baked potatoes? Mike's Submarine? Mr Hot Dog! All the greasy spoons everywhere in NDG .. Smoked meat everywhere .. Oh Boy ..
I met my wife in NDG at a friend's place .. We ended up heading West shortly after we were married in 1979 ..
I am so glad I found this blog .. It's nice to see so many people here reflecting on things and places they experienced that jarred my memory loose tonight .. Not that I have ever forgotten about growing up there when times were so great compared to what they are now. Montrealers .. Wow.
I was born in 52 .. Alot of you seem to be older than me but it doesn't matter .. We all remember the Breadman and the Milkman .. I walked everywhere as a kid with friends to buy our comics, gum, chips and pop .. You did as well .. It was such a wonderful time to grow up ..
Back then, no other city in Canada came to close to the food, lifestyle and entertainment that Montreal had.
We were lucky .. Let's not ever forget that ..
John
There was a little convenience store on Sherbrooke at Grand Blvd. The old guy used to sell single cigarettes to kids for a nickel each. I gave up smoking when I became very ill on a Spud cigarette. Does anyone remember a Joy Gas Station on Sherbrooke and Decarie Boulevard? Does 19 cents a gallon ring a bell? I lived on Madison near the railroad tracks until I married Kathleen O'Donoghue and moved to BC in 1956.
ReplyDeleteWow. I was at the chalet yesterday and seemed to remember a spaghetti restaurant on sherbrooke just east of girouard. It bothers me that i can't remember the name. I thought it might be frank da rice but i am told it was downtown.
ReplyDeleteIn ndg in the 50's i spent winters skating in ndg park also known as oxford park. There were trees in the rink that made for a pretty good "whip". There was bourget's where the shop was filled with penny candies. You could fill their paper bags for a dime. It was on sherbrooke near melrose.
Also on sherbrooke in the corner of oxford i believe, there was an italian shoemaker where we had our skates sharpened.
The drug store at the corner of sherbrooke and wilson was owned by a mr decarie who later became the mayor of lachine.
Our adventures often took place on western, now maisonneuve, near wilson. There were pieces and parts of an old crane there which we climbed and played in. Crossing the melrose tunnel brought us into a mostly italian neighborhood where the jukeboxes were more expensive than at ma heller's but they had small screens with a video of the singer. This was way before mtv!
Ahhh good times
Louise meunier
It WAS called Frank De Rice's. Spent many hours there too and it was where I had my first cup of coffee. NDG Park had the best rink. They call it Girouard Park now. Boo! Bourget's used to be called Oscar's. I lived on Melrose below Sherbrooke. Does anyone remember an old barn filled with sand where we used to play after going through the Melrose Tunnel? Good times indeed!
ReplyDeleteDid anyone here go to West Hill High School in the '60s? There was an English teacher called Mr. Pycock. He taught there in the '60s (possibly late '50s as well) and retired in 1972. He was my father.
ReplyDeleteI love this blog, by the way. It is so wonderful to remember.
I went to WestHill 1954..57.NORM was my history teacher...and also the Senior hockey team "faculty coach"..Ritchie Broadbelt did the actual coaching..and I was the team /equipment manager. I was no good at history..barely getting by. Your Dad gave me lots of help in my graduating year...old Provincial exams to study..and suggestions of studying certain events. I took the full 3 hours to finish my final exam...and when I left the room...he was waiting for me in the hallway.....and asked how I did ?? I answered...."with your pointers I think I passed". He replied "it was a tough exam...if you passed...everybody will pass " We both smiled....that was the last time we spoke....June 1957
DeleteFor those who lived in NDG over the years all I can say is that I enjoyed reading the memories of years gone by. I presently live in NDG on Wilson below Sherbrooke and I have four teenagers who were born at St. MARY'S and have lived here for most of their lives, spent a few years in Pte.Claire before coming back, and they are the new generation of NDGrs who went to school at Willingdon, spent after school at the NDG Y, summer camp at West Hill and now are at Villa Maria HS and Loyola HS. Let me assure you that these kids just LOVE their neighborhood just like most of you did many years ago! When we moved to Pointe Claire all they wanted was to move back so we did! The NDG legacy continues..
ReplyDeleteI grew up on Trenholme Ave. quite a bit west of you. I remember Abes Snack Bar. A neighbour would give me a quarter to go get him cigarettes on my bike. The CIBC on the next corner had a few robberies before and after I left in 67. Does anyone remember Cow Hill near the train station...great tobogganing.
ReplyDeleteAs one who lived in NDG for many years (Benny Farm) I thoroughly enjoyed your posts and pics and I think the admins are ridiculous!! Keep up the good work!!
ReplyDeleteI am of the next generation, born in '59. Sooo nice to read the history that was the foundation for my world.
ReplyDeleteLived in NDG in the fifties.(King Edward St) I am surprised that nobody mentioned that JJJoubert horses were not the only critters that kept out gutters full. POM bakeries (for a while) and the garbage collectors also liked the idea that you could tell a horse to whoa or to move ahead at any time, without needing to jump into a seat and grab a steering wheel. I cannot remember when the poop bags tied to their butts became necessary.
ReplyDeleteAh, The streetcars. I recall so vividly the slippery straw seats. One time, coming back from the city, my mom got off the streetcar to catch the 102 bus at the Giroird - Cote St Luc corner, but forgot me at the back of the street car. It continued north on the streetcar-only track, and my panicked mom had to flag down a taxi to chase down the tracks to rescue me... a crying 5-year old... from the streetcar.
ReplyDeleteI just discovered this blog. Fabulous memories! I lived on Coolbrook near Van Horne, and attended West Hill ‘56 to ‘59. Outstanding teachers - C.P. Batt for math was one, and Nev Thornton for Tech Drawing was another. I loved the woodworking and metalworking shops, and still used some of that knowledgeable in my extensive hobby/woodworking shop at home.
ReplyDeleteI worked one summer at Winrow’s Drug Store at the lunch counter where I learned to cook a little, and that’s something I’ll never forget. Met some nice young ladies who patronized the soda fountain while I was working there as well! Those were the days, my friend!
Oh my God. You are all the other kids I saw around my neighborhood. I lived on Rosedale Avenue about 50 yards from Trenholme Park where I lived. Where my soul still plays hockey in that timeless heaven that was being young in Notre Dame de Grace. Only recently did I realize I had been born and raised in heaven. And so innocent of knowledge of how our parents had lived through hell a few short years earlier.
ReplyDeleteDid you too grab on to the rear bumper of the 101 Sherbooke bus and slide over the thin layer of snow only half scared out of your wits?
Did you too watch the NDG Maple Leafs ( a far nobler brand than the Toronto icy variety..) or get to see Yvonne Cornoyer and other Habs play an exhibition game under the lights at Trenholme Park? So close to where the beautiful Marilyn Macdonald a young crush resided? Hoola Hoops and skate boards came into being for our amusement and injury. And hockey. Blessed hockey. And all you folks were out and about at my elementary school at St Ignatius, and later Marymount as we moved through awkward times of teenagers until by fate of patterns too diverse to chart, I found myself at Nepean High School in Ottawa, Ontario. I left the magic and the grace but I could skate faster than the other kids as they chased the white CH flannel sacre with the proud number four around the rinks of youth. Thank you all for being a part of my life. Sometimes its easier to catch a moving and captivating glimpse of the sacred in the faded traces and tracks of time.
Colin, thanks for this wonderful, nostalgic look back to our beloved NDG. I am dismayed that anyone would delete an article clearly written with love.. and fond memories. Thank you for this.
ReplyDeleteI remember living on Wilson near monk land that had lane ways between the streets we would make go carts out of old lawn motor wheels and some wood and race down the lanes there was a lane called devils lane because of all debris and vegetation growing Dexter was one of my favourite stores
ReplyDeleteWow. Great story and lots of memories. I commend you on your memory as I lived in the same area and time and the psychedelic wars of the late 60's must have done more damage that I thought. I did attend West Hill High School and graduated in 1965. I was one of the troublemakers that hung out at Bellman's before and after school as well as lunch hour.
ReplyDeleteAs a child I do remember taking the #17 streetcar to Belmont Park and back as a solo adventure. Chalet chicken definitely a fave and the 2/25c steamies were a regular occurrence. Still a big fan of smoked meat sandwiches and bagels.
I wouldn't be surprised if we ran into each other back in the day. I lived on Prud'Homme Ave near Sherbrooke.
Take care and thanks for the trip down memory lane.
P.S. The only posters name I recognized was Greg Pichnej. I think we were in the same class once.
Glad you liked it Karl.
ReplyDeleteThank you - enjoyed the read and the comments. NDG - first on Royal and then moved to Wilson. Great memories. Taxi cab stand on Royal@Monkland, Mr B (Boyaner?) running the general store on Monkland&Wilson - he started me on a coin collection and introduced me to vanilla milkshakes, playing ball hockey behind Steinberg’s, skating on Sundays at LCC, biking to the Orange Julip, the 102 bus on Monkland, then a little later Expo 67 and the arrival of the Expos. It was a great time to grow up in Montreal. Thanks.
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ReplyDeleteMerci pour les bons souvenirs. I was born in 52, my family owned a duplex on Hingston, halfway between Terrebonne and Somerled, east side. Can’t remember the address. Left NDG at 9 when we moved to Sherbooke, la ville.
I do remember JJ Joubert and Pom’s horses.
I’m in Laval. Drove by the duplex a few years ago. What impressed the most are the trees, I still had the picture in my mind of all the small trees. They are huge, literally makes a roofs over the street. It was a different time.
Jean
Does anyone remember a girl named Reet Jurvetson that grew up on Royal Ave. I'm writing a book about her tragic murder in 1969 and would like to connect with anyone who knew her. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteI grew up on Grand Blvd. between Somerled and Fielding. Went to Somerled and the "new" WHHS. I distinctly remember running into Gump Worseley quite often at Brown's candy store at Grand and Somerled. Bachman's drug store was on the corner. Lots of great memories at Terrebonne Park, Marymount football field, the pool on Kensington and oh Chalet BBQ. Pure heaven. Thanks for the fun read!!!
ReplyDeleteI'm a bit younger, 1970s-80s NDG. I just missed knowing Jimmy Speirs. I dispatched taxis for his widow, Betty, in the 1980s, along with their son, Malcolm, and daughter, Stephanie. Here's an article about his death: https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/4832888?docsearchtext=The%20Westmount%20examiner,%2011%20mars%201982
ReplyDeleteI think that I remember that Betty was librarian at Somerled School.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteJonathan Merele Paterson. My natal year I occupied Patricia Ave. I am son of John Gordon Paterson & Margaret Ann Riddell. Dad will be 90 in October. His formative years were as a resident on Melrose Ave., student at West Hill, YMCA water sports & played for the NDG Maple Leafs. Are there any friends of Gordon who may help corroborate evidence for the NDG Screwdrivers Hot Rod Club? He has cited Roy Fallon & Iain Dejong.
We left Montreal for south-western Ontario to establish Oxford Welding & Machine Shop in 1962, before it was popular to do so. By that time the family had moved to 72 York Ave., lower Westmount where Aberdeen Villa still stands. John Alexander Paterson & Maud Alice Talbot, founders of P&T Teas & Spice had a legacy of warehouse space there where "Gordie" built his custom cars. He worked briefly for Bruce Campbell's garage. His business acumen and entrepeneurial spirit were inspired by his first employer Mr. Joe Rubin of National Typewriter Co.
Became a journeyman machinist at CNR Pt. St. Charles. Plumber & bro. In Christ, Robert Woodburn was a dear friend.
He attended Madison Baptist Church on Monkland, where I was dedicated as an infant. Through Montreal Youth for Christ events, my parents developed many long-lasting friendships, premier among them, their own marriage resulting in 9 children of whom I am eldest.
As a boy I remember an insignia badge that came from his leather & felt hot rod jacket. But alas it has gone missing.
Colin, are you my long-lost cousin?
Sincerely,
Jp
Jonathan Paterson
Great memories from former and current residents of Montreal's west end.
ReplyDeleteFor those who want to trace and verify the names of long-gone restaurants and other district hangouts, Lovell's Directory is an invaluable tool where cross-referencing can be done through its "Montreal and its suburbs", link, after which extensive research can be obtained via its Montreal Street Directory, Montreal alphabetical Directory, and Montreal classified business directory. See:
https://numerique.banq.qc.ca/patrimoine/details/52327/3652179
Note that in the late 1920s and early 1930s, many of Montreal's street address numbers were, over time, comprehensively upgraded from 3-digit to 5-digits while the dwellings themselves remained the same. Furthermore, certain sections of some streets were also renamed and merged into others (such as Upper Lachine Road into St. Jacques) or obliterated from the map altogether (such as Minto Avenue) when the Decarie Expressway was built from 1964-1967, not to mention entire buildings razed during the process.
Another source of neighbourhood memories can be found at https://coolopolis.blogspot.com/ and then typing NDG and/or Snowdon into the upper right search bar.
Enjoy!